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Subject: "Nonsectarian" but still very religious
From: kevin4vft@aol.com (KEVIN4VFT)
Date: 04 Jan 1998 03:24:02 EST
In article <19971231235201.SAA04312@ladder01.news.aol.com>, edarr1776@aol.com
(EDarr1776) writes:
>Kevin said: >>Horace
Mann's schools were explicitly religious. But they were
>non-sectarian. Christian but non-sectarian. You can't understand the
First
>Amendment if you can't make that distinction.<<<
>And you don't understand
>either Horace Mann or the First Amendment if you think that the
Constitution
>endorses Christianity, in schools or in any other form. That's just
not
>so.
Well don't cite evidence or anything like that. The presence of legal
and historical authorities and stuff like that might distract readers
from the argument you're making
What I know about Horace Mann I learned from a past president of the
Columbia Teacher's College, a widely recognized authority on the history
of education in America, Lawrence Cremin.
The dominance of the New England Primer in the 1700's and the McGuffey
Readers in the 1800's, shows that Education was Christian and
Biblical throughout this period. The Constitution and the First
Amendment were never understood to prohibit state and local governments
from encouraging the teaching of religion in all schools.
Even Horace Mann, severely criticized by many Christians, did not
attempt to remove religion from the schools. It was not until the 20th
century that religion was stripped from schools, and this was a
sociological phenomenon, not a legally-mandated one. The legal
"mandate" was not invented until the early 1960's.
In article <19971229081200.DAA11964@ladder01.news.aol.com>, edarr1776@aol.com
(EDarr1776) writes:
>I'm saying that your statement that
all the states taught religion is
>absolutely untrue. Politely I've given a few examples and asked you
to
>document your assertion. That is in lieu of accusing you of a Ninth
>Commandment violation. But then, since you don't hold to organized
religion,
>should we expect you to try to hold to the commandments?
>If you do hold to
>the commandments, at least tell us what source has led you astray on
the
>teaching of religion in the public schools. It is not done, it has
never
>been done on any substantial scale. If you have evidence otherwise,
now is
>the time to present it.
Here we go:
Butts & Cremin, A History of Education in American Culture,
Holt, Rinehart & Winston, 1953, pp. 272ff.:
"The attempt to build a nonsectarian common school
curriculum.
In order for the ideal of a universally available, publicly supported,
and publicly controlled common school to be at all workable, the
teaching of sectarian religion had to be excluded from the classroom.
[KC Note: this does not mean excluding all Christianity, just the
denominational distinctives:] In their attempts to accomplish this by
teaching the common elements of Christianity and the Bible without
comment, however, the reformers encountered violent opposition from
conservative religious interests and the forces allied with them. The
idea that morality and character -- for many the central purposes of
education -- could be included in the curriculum apart from the dogma
of a sectarian faith was a difficult one for people who had recently
lived under religious establishments to accept. Yet the reformers were
able, in the space of a half century, to convince a majority of
Americans that the plan was practical.
"The development of the nonsectarian curriculum in
Massachusetts well represents the movement throughout the Union.
Interestingly enough, while the general law of 1789 had enjoined
teachers to exert their best endeavors to communicate piety, justice,
and other virtues to children, it nowhere mentioned the teaching of
religion. Although the popularity of the New England Primer had begun
to wane in favor of newer material, the Bible and the Psalter were in
wide use, and the law of 1789 probably represented a more general
trend replacing earlier Calvinist teachings with a milder conception
of Judeo-Christian ethics and morality. Far from excluding religion,
the law merely required the teaching of Christian principles to a
Christian community.
"When the law of 1827 greatly strengthened the town school
committees, the question of sectarian feeling in the selection of
school books received important attention. In order to prevent undue
sectarian interest in this matter, the following clause was inserted
in the law: "That said committee shall never direct any school
books to be purchased or used, in any of the schools under their
superintendence, which are calculated to favor any particular sect or
tenet." Once again, rather than excluding Christian morality from
the schools, this provision obviously hoped to bar only sectarian
doctrines and tenets.
"No particular attention was paid to this provision until the
establishment of the Board of Education in 1837 and the appointment of
Horace Mann, a Unitarian, as its secretary. When Mann and the board
vigorously supported the common elements of Christianity conception,
the more conservative religious groups in the state accused him of
trying to introduce Unitarianism into the schools. [note: in the early
1800's, Unitarianism looked more like contemporary evangelicalism, but
was clearly a departure from Puritan Calvinism.] In 1838, in a
controversy over school libraries with Frederick A. Packard of the
American Sunday School Union [which published public school textbooks,
not just "sunday school" texts --kc], and again in 1844 and
1846, in controversies with Reverends Edward A. Newton and Matthew
Hale Smith, respectively, Mann and the board were accused of
conducting "godless," immoral
schools which bred delinquency and vice. Throughout these continuing
struggles, Mann held steadfastly to his position that the common
schools were neither irreligious nor nonreligious; they were
nonsectarian. If one examines the curriculum of these years, Mann's
arguments were entirely borne out in practice, at least to the extent
that moral instruction was non-sectarian Protestant in orientation.
Very obviously, what his attackers were urging was not that religion,
ethics, and morals be taught in the schools, but that their particular
sectarian doctrines be taught.
"By the time of the Civil War, Mann's position enjoyed wide
acceptance in most places, and universal acceptance in others. A
questionnaire sent to twelve leading citizens of Massachusetts in 1851
revealed general concurrence in the conclusion that the New England
system of education, while nonsectarian, was far from irreligious. Had
America been entirely Protestant, there seems little doubt that well
nigh universal acceptance of this policy might have been achieved by
1865. But this was not the case, and after 1840, their ranks
strengthened by the mass immigrations of the 1840's and 1850's, the
Roman Catholics raised growing objections. Pointing to the fact that
the Protestant version of the Bible was read in schools and that this
Bible, contrary to Catholic doctrine, was read without comment or
interpretation, this group continued to view the public schools as
sectarian. In some places temporary compromises were achieved; in
others Protestants refused to heed these complaints; and in still
others separate Catholic schools systems were established. Suffice it
to say that before 1865 the Protestants had no adequate solution to
the problem."
If I am able, I will quote Princeton
Calvinist A.A. Hodge who railed against the Catholics for fighting
Protestants over the King James Bible when they should have joined the
Protestants in fighting against the secularists. Again, I blame
ecclesiastical denominations for most of today's problems.
But the point is inescapable. The Bible was taught in public schools
long after the Constitution was ratified. Even while Horace Mann was
active, the New England Primer was still
being used:
That Cotton Mather's injunctions were not simply the ravings of a
[fanatic] minister is attested by the whole content and spirit of the New
England Primer which was the most widely read school book in
America for 100 years. The best estimate is made that some 3,000,000
copies were sold from 1700 to 1850.
Butts & Cremin, p.69
No one believed this to be unconstitutional (except a few wiggy and
blasphemous prototypes of the ACLU, who were always ruled against in
court).
An effective cease-fire, even a negotiated peace,
was brought about in Massachusetts by Horace Mann through the
concept of the common school, teaching no doctrine,
under no ecclesiastical controls but hardly the secular sphere
we know today. Mann assured critics that the common school
"inculcates all Christian morals; it founds its morals on
the basis of religion; it welcomes the religion of the
Bible...," but he did insist that Bible reading be without
comment to discourage sectarian bickering (Mann, Twelfth
Annual Report for 1848 of the Secretary of the Board of
Education of Massachusetts. Reprinted in Blau 183-84).
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